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It was a great weekend for the Big Red. We had a doubleheader on Saturday, starting with a 1 p.m. match at Hofstra, and then culminating in a 6 p.m. Ivy League faceoff at Columbia. Over the course of the day, our guys only gave up eight offensive points.
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This is the forth release of the Section 11 individual and tournament rankings.
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I think Al Dierna from section V should be in the mix
jake kelly niagara wheatfield beat brandon mills ganisteo greenwood 8 to 0 at 1000 island duels
This seems a very objective way to begin the ranking system. How ever Arik Robinson from Peru is not ranked correctly by this system. I realize he is in a light weight class, but still a three time State champion. I will say overall not bad.
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The performance at the NYS tourney is not a good enough barometer. Murphy and Gwiazdowski are the runaway favorites here.
Tom Page (Jr VI) > Corey Dake
I like what you are trying to do but by weighing the higher weights more than lighter weights, you are now using too much subjective info which is what you are trying to eliminate. With your ranking system, kids like Steven Keith and nick Arujau would not have been ranked nearly as highly as they should have been.
Eric, It’s a fair concern, but without giving the entire details of the formula away, the weighting is not subjective. It is possible for a lower weight to have more weight than a higher weight, but in general it does not pan out that way.
Nick Arujau was ranked sixth in the unified ranking for 2010 and fifth in the DI ranking. Here’s the link: Final 2010 Power Ranking. You may arguably rank Arujau number one, but the top 5 in that unified ranking are all legitimate candidates for the number 1 spot. So I believe while the power ranking is not perfect, it does a great job of identifying the top wrestlers in the state without subjectivity.
One could easily make a strong argument for any one of Tyler Beckwith, Angelo Malvestuto, Cody Ruggirello, Stephen Dutton, and Andy Rodriguez for the number 1 spot, who all fall ahead of Arujau. These things will always be debated, but that they are all identified in the top six, whether you agree with the actual order or not, says to me that it’s identifying the right people for the top distinction, and it’s probably closer to reality than someone picking based purely on opinion, even expert.
Remember when Cody Rugirello met Nick Arujau in the state finals at 103 in 2007, Cody pinned Nick. Also there’s a long list of 96lb champions who never got the opportunity to participate in the state tournament once they moved up in weight class.
If you look at who wins multiple state titles, they are wrestlers who have their start in the lightweights. I happen to believe that’s not by accident. If we are to agree on 2 significant factors in wrestling success, then we would agree that the formula normalizes the accomplishments. One, exprience counts for something (Troy Nickerson was a better wrestler as a senior than when he won his first state title as an 8th grader), and 2 age is very significant in the life of a high school wrestler as there is a physical difference between a man, an adolescent, and a prepubescent.
Weights 96, 103, and 112 are dominated in the state tournament by junior high, freshman and sophomore wrestlers while after 152 the weights are dominated by Juniors and Seniors and 189 is most often dominated by seniors. So is winning a state title in the 8th grade at 96 in 2010 in a weight having 2 seniors and with the remainder all sophomores or less as difficult as winning a title at 130 where all but one wrestler is either a junior or a senior, or 189 where 75% of the wrestlers are seniors (the most of any weight class, remember experience and physical maturation count for something).
So the weighting formula scores the experience of the wrestlers competing in the weight class. It is applied to each weight class the same, so it’s not subjective. Does it have merrit? It DOES NOT if you believe that a state title is the same at 96 where 75% of the wrestlers were prepubesent freshmen, 7th and 8th graders versus 189 where 75% of the wrestlers were seniors having muscle tone like a full grown man, a hairy chest, and 4 years or more varsity experience to go with it.
It’s not perfect, but it’s the best way I know to get predjudice, favoritism, and false reputation out of the ranking, which is the basis for most rankings and most disagreements.
It’s also interesting to note that you see the same correlation in NCAA D1. Weight classes where freshman and sophomores win are are most often less dominated by juniors, seniors, and red shirt seniors. Such correlations are not by accident.
Don’t forget about Mohamed from Lacawana in sec 6. He is a returning state champ in d2.
I don’t understand how Chris Nevinger is not on any of these rankings. He was NYS Champion last year and undefeated, he is a 2x National Champion(Freshman and Sophmore), and he is ranked 2nd in the Nation for Jrs. at 152lbs by WrestlingUSA. Can anyone answer my question?
He’s on the dii ranking… His score didn’t qualify him for the unified ranking.
what about troy benjamin for d1
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